What I don't get is why people who don't actually live here much hate the UK so much?? They create a mess, leave, and make it out to be the worst place on earth. It's not by a long shot. Yet.
Agreed, Ayesha. Lots wrong with the place but nothing we couldn’t fix if the shysters with an interest in maintaining the chaos would stop breaking our institutions and setting us against one another.
We’ll get there, I’m sure. We just need to remember that a large number of people with a small bit of power will always win over a small number of people with a large amount of power…eventually.
My partner met a number of Reform Supporters the other day and asked them why they supported Reform and what Policies of Reform made them support the party. He couldn’t get any clear answers to any questions and after some vague mumbling from them about how Farage was going to fix things, they had no idea how, he simply gave up.
I live in Lincolnshire and a lot of my friends and neighbours are either active Reform supporters or are sympathetic to their message.
Almost all of them are motivated by some kind of frustration or desperation with the current system and the conditions it has generated for them.
Above all else, they are looking for change. They would prefer positive change (they are not bad people) but, when push comes to shove, they’ll settle for ANY kind of change.
That represents a real danger for us all because there ARE people in Reform’s ranks with malign intent and THEY know their only route to power is through co-opting that much larger benign group to their cause.
Farage is playing that game, just as Trump did in the States. Pretend to be a friend of the ordinary man or woman. Avoid sober scrutiny by focussing your messaging on outrage and anger (no one thinks their best thoughts with a hot head). And promise the earth, with a cherry on top.
But I’m still hopeful we can stop Farage. The overwhelming majority of people in this country see through him and don’t want anything to do with the thugs that hide in his shadow. We just need to come together, take a stand, shine a harsh light on Farage’s lies, and show those good people who are tempted by his snake oil that there is a better alternative. (Just! 🤣)
Farage talks about Broken Britain, and citing the economy, who broke it? Well Brexit is a very major contributor to that, of which he is a chief villain.
Regarding the highjacking of democracy as a route to power for undemocratic objectives, remember that was the route used by Hitler in 1933, aided by establishment complacency thinking power would mellow him!
JCB: Helping Israel destroy Gaza, helped the Tories destroy the UK from the inside who then gave Banham his peerage. Now they are out he is on another bandwagon.............
Britain is now a third world cesspit of greed, corruption and industrial scale incompetence largely due to a series of clueless and inept leaders over the last fifteen years.
Unlike global warming we have now exceeded the tipping point of recovery with all of the bloated millionaire rats leaving the sinking ship having bled it dry.
Farage is a Poundland Trump that even his mate Musk is having misgivings.
Farage is charlatan using the moral outrage of a left-behind group of people and the money of businessmen to further their own grubby agenda. Let’s hope the electorate realises this.
I’m sitting on the fence with this one to see how this pans out. Doesn’t seem to be any difference between any of them. And just like Labour, Reform doesn’t seem to have any policies in place.
The question Nigel and Richard need to answer is, “Where is the model for their theory that a country should be run like a business? Name the country that has successfully implemented such an approach.”
Exactly Mike. Many years ago, I worked for the Minister for the Cabinet Office (a former senior businessman, Lord Macdonald of Tradeston). He used to say that his role at the top of his businesses was to dismiss nine out of ten of the proposals put to him so that all his energy was focussed on the one most likely to boost his bottom line. But that his role at the centre of government required him to find a way to give SOMETHING (big or small, now or later) to everyone who walked through his door.
Fundamentally different objective with fundamentally different requirements in terms of skills and experience. (And, I would argue, a much harder task.)
The objective of business is to take more money than it costs you to provide the goods or service. Most businesses can make hard choices to achieve this simple objective. Anybody who thinks you can run a country that way must tell us which country with a mixed economy and resource levels similar to the UK operates that way and achieves widespread satisfaction amongst it's citizens. If Reform suggest that they will be the first then they must answer as to why such a country doesn't exist.
We have to rid ourselves of fantasy politics with politicians, of any dogma, constantly offering the unachievable.
You are correct in saying that Reform UK only has one policy (being to “tackle” immigration, although even on that one it is not clear what the benefits of such “tackling” are supposed to be or precisely how they would be achieved). RUK does not (at least yet) have any others. It is mystifying to me, if not to say astonishing, how any such movement can attract support (as it appears to be doing).
What I don't get is why people who don't actually live here much hate the UK so much?? They create a mess, leave, and make it out to be the worst place on earth. It's not by a long shot. Yet.
Agreed, Ayesha. Lots wrong with the place but nothing we couldn’t fix if the shysters with an interest in maintaining the chaos would stop breaking our institutions and setting us against one another.
We’ll get there, I’m sure. We just need to remember that a large number of people with a small bit of power will always win over a small number of people with a large amount of power…eventually.
WTF are you whinging about? 🤡🤣
We don't want reform in power they are not what we want
My partner met a number of Reform Supporters the other day and asked them why they supported Reform and what Policies of Reform made them support the party. He couldn’t get any clear answers to any questions and after some vague mumbling from them about how Farage was going to fix things, they had no idea how, he simply gave up.
Sadly, that doesn’t surprise me, Jean.
I live in Lincolnshire and a lot of my friends and neighbours are either active Reform supporters or are sympathetic to their message.
Almost all of them are motivated by some kind of frustration or desperation with the current system and the conditions it has generated for them.
Above all else, they are looking for change. They would prefer positive change (they are not bad people) but, when push comes to shove, they’ll settle for ANY kind of change.
That represents a real danger for us all because there ARE people in Reform’s ranks with malign intent and THEY know their only route to power is through co-opting that much larger benign group to their cause.
Farage is playing that game, just as Trump did in the States. Pretend to be a friend of the ordinary man or woman. Avoid sober scrutiny by focussing your messaging on outrage and anger (no one thinks their best thoughts with a hot head). And promise the earth, with a cherry on top.
But I’m still hopeful we can stop Farage. The overwhelming majority of people in this country see through him and don’t want anything to do with the thugs that hide in his shadow. We just need to come together, take a stand, shine a harsh light on Farage’s lies, and show those good people who are tempted by his snake oil that there is a better alternative. (Just! 🤣)
Farage talks about Broken Britain, and citing the economy, who broke it? Well Brexit is a very major contributor to that, of which he is a chief villain.
Regarding the highjacking of democracy as a route to power for undemocratic objectives, remember that was the route used by Hitler in 1933, aided by establishment complacency thinking power would mellow him!
Dark pantomime or 'Vicious Cabaret'?
Nice!
JCB: Helping Israel destroy Gaza, helped the Tories destroy the UK from the inside who then gave Banham his peerage. Now they are out he is on another bandwagon.............
Britain is now a third world cesspit of greed, corruption and industrial scale incompetence largely due to a series of clueless and inept leaders over the last fifteen years.
Unlike global warming we have now exceeded the tipping point of recovery with all of the bloated millionaire rats leaving the sinking ship having bled it dry.
Farage is a Poundland Trump that even his mate Musk is having misgivings.
Could he make things even worse - probably.
Never ever vote reform. Never.
Lord Haw Haw
Farage is charlatan using the moral outrage of a left-behind group of people and the money of businessmen to further their own grubby agenda. Let’s hope the electorate realises this.
I’m sitting on the fence with this one to see how this pans out. Doesn’t seem to be any difference between any of them. And just like Labour, Reform doesn’t seem to have any policies in place.
I’m sitting on the fence with this one & waiting to see how this pans out. Isn’t looking good. No difference in any of them!!!
The question Nigel and Richard need to answer is, “Where is the model for their theory that a country should be run like a business? Name the country that has successfully implemented such an approach.”
Exactly Mike. Many years ago, I worked for the Minister for the Cabinet Office (a former senior businessman, Lord Macdonald of Tradeston). He used to say that his role at the top of his businesses was to dismiss nine out of ten of the proposals put to him so that all his energy was focussed on the one most likely to boost his bottom line. But that his role at the centre of government required him to find a way to give SOMETHING (big or small, now or later) to everyone who walked through his door.
Fundamentally different objective with fundamentally different requirements in terms of skills and experience. (And, I would argue, a much harder task.)
The objective of business is to take more money than it costs you to provide the goods or service. Most businesses can make hard choices to achieve this simple objective. Anybody who thinks you can run a country that way must tell us which country with a mixed economy and resource levels similar to the UK operates that way and achieves widespread satisfaction amongst it's citizens. If Reform suggest that they will be the first then they must answer as to why such a country doesn't exist.
We have to rid ourselves of fantasy politics with politicians, of any dogma, constantly offering the unachievable.
You are correct in saying that Reform UK only has one policy (being to “tackle” immigration, although even on that one it is not clear what the benefits of such “tackling” are supposed to be or precisely how they would be achieved). RUK does not (at least yet) have any others. It is mystifying to me, if not to say astonishing, how any such movement can attract support (as it appears to be doing).
NIGEL FARAGE , A MAN THAT SPEAKS WHAT THE NORMAL TRUE CITIZEN THINKS AND WANTS!!
True citizen. 🙈
Frog man is unscrupulous